@DOC
When or where do I get my T-shirt?
elder and his wife build a flash house.. they go on the stage at an assembly and give an experiences of how they sold the flash house to simplify their life so they can go pioneering.. the real story.. elder and wife can't afford the flash house and have to sell it he never goes pioneering she does until they are declared bankrupt.. why were they bankrupt?.
the money leaft over from the flash house they invested in a yet to be build apartment and the developer goes bankrupt takeing their money.. just one of many.. karter..
@DOC
When or where do I get my T-shirt?
elder and his wife build a flash house.. they go on the stage at an assembly and give an experiences of how they sold the flash house to simplify their life so they can go pioneering.. the real story.. elder and wife can't afford the flash house and have to sell it he never goes pioneering she does until they are declared bankrupt.. why were they bankrupt?.
the money leaft over from the flash house they invested in a yet to be build apartment and the developer goes bankrupt takeing their money.. just one of many.. karter..
I was once interviewed on stage at a circuit assembly. The CO had me alter my experience so much that my biological sister who knew the whole story said "Wow they really edit those interviews. If I hadn't seen you up on stage I wouldn't have known it was your experience."
what is the funniest or strangest thing to happen to you or your partner when knocking on doors?.
mine was seeing a greenhouse with mannequins inside.
scary...paul.
One Saturday morning we were doing walking territory. It was my partners door. Lady answers but doesn't say anything, so my partner just goes into his presentation. Suddenly she grabs his hands and yells "JESUS CAN SAVE YOU! YES, HE IS SPEAKING TO ME!!" And she starts speaking in tongues. The brother pulled himself away threw up his hands and said "aw hell no im out" and just walks off and leaves me standing with a deer in headlights look. We had a long walk back to the car and she stood in her yard yelling gibberish at us all the way back to the car.
Another time I went to a door by myself and a young guy answered. He didn't seem interested but I could hear the James Bond theme song in the back ground. So I asked which movie he was watching? And we stood talking for 20 minutes about which Bond we liked best (Connery to me but Craig is a close second).
hey guys.
a friend online asked me about my recovery and how i managed to recover relatively easily from watchtower indoctrination.
although i think a major part of it is acquainting oneself with information about the watchtower and it's history, a lot of it (for me at least) was an inner game.
Excellent letter!
I will have to steal that.
watching rated r movies?
maybe a little gambling in vegas?
when i was in high school i went to the mall with my friend at the time, who happened to be a female.
A few of the things already mentioned plus, one particularly pleasant autumn day I was driving home through the mountains after a productive day at work. I remember feeling guilty for how I felt such a satisfying day I had had in this worldly system.
if you are, you know it is not easy to remain intimate with someone who thinks you are basically "walking dead".. any thoughts or tips to share with the board?.
what has been the greatest issue for your marriage?.
need to vent?.
So far my wife has been very respectful of my not attending meetings and hasn't pushed the issue, she didn't even mention the memorial this year.
Our main cause of martial stress is finances. We put too much on credit cards early on in our marriage and now it takes most of our income to cover minimum payments. Sense I woke up I've seen the need to pay those bad boys off and start saving for retirement, and kids college funds. But she is still planning on Armageddon to come and wipe out all the bills and need for retirement. It's a real sore topic when she talks about wanting to put more on credit cards and spend spend spend!
I used to not get how money could cause divorce, but now that we've become so different in our financial mindsets I've seen just how much strain it puts on a marriage.
hello, all you damn dirty apostates!
please, allow me to join this community of diseased minds.
i have been lurking here for over 2 years and tonight i decided it's time to come out of the shadows.
Thank you everyone for the warm welcome.
To those who advised caution sharing too much info even in PM I hear you. I know how deceptive elders and "loyal ones of Jehovah" can be.
Unfortunately my wife is still in but I do see cracks in the "spiritual armor" from time to time so I am hopeful of her joining us all on the outside. She is aware of my "extreme doubts" as I put them to her but I haven't shared my full fall from JW grace yet. Don't want to shock her into full JW mode.
Those who expressed concern over my mental health. Thank you for your concerns, I am happy to say however that I have never felt more at peace. The anger and confusion that clouded my mind for so long has lifted. But if I ever sense I need professional help I will seek it out. I'm not too proud to ask for help.
And finally to the person who asked about tight pants Tony. I was in attendance to a video feed of that talk. Didn't really think it was a big deal at the time but since then I have realized how stupid he was. Beards and facial hair never made sense to me what the big deal was, until I understood it was a control tactic, and visual gauge of your compliance to rules. Last fall when they almost loosen the restrictions on beards it was comical to hear so many talk about how cool it would be to finally grow one. Adults having to wait for permission to grow hair on their faces, and what kind of pants to wear. Let's review, It's a cult!
Ok that was longer then I intended lol. Peace everybody!
SK
hey guys, looking for some advice with what to do with my jw wife that is simply ignoring my wishes/demands.
first a little back story, we have been married for 6 years and have 3 children together.
she is a jw, and i am not (nor do i have any religious beliefs).
I know this has been touched on but as far as the headship card goes you're actually viewed as a enemy to her spirituality. The society says the man is the head of the household BUT... you are an "unbelieving spouse" so your headship only covers physical and financial matters. Spiritual matters she is to look to the elders as her head, and she is the spiritual head of the children as is taught in JW land.
If she continues to pioneer she'll end up on the stage at a assembly to give her experience about pioneering despite obstacles. You being the main obstacle as a you will now be classified an "opposing unbelieving spouse".
I really hope you can get ahead of this because this is the exact issue that ended my parents marriage.
Good luck.
hello, all you damn dirty apostates!
please, allow me to join this community of diseased minds.
i have been lurking here for over 2 years and tonight i decided it's time to come out of the shadows.
I forgot to add that if anyone would like to know more details about me please feel free to PM me.
hello, all you damn dirty apostates!
please, allow me to join this community of diseased minds.
i have been lurking here for over 2 years and tonight i decided it's time to come out of the shadows.
Hello, all you damn dirty apostates! Please, allow me to join this community of diseased minds.
I have been lurking here for over 2 years and tonight I decided it's time to come out of the shadows.
I am in the process of fading and do not wish to ruin it by giving too many personal details at this time so as to not identify myself. If elders do monitor these sites I know exactly which one from my former hall would and he knows most of my history.
That being said, I wish to express to everyone on this forum how grateful I am to you! My exit from the Watchtower actually began 12 years ago. At that time I didn't know about TTATT, Cognitive Dissonance, FOG, BITE, Etc. I had simply been embarrassed and angered my my local congregation and so began over a decade of inactivity and restarting, coupled with doubts and fighting those doubts, which caused depression generally wasting my entire 20's. Thise doubts eventually caused me to look at evil apostate websites including this one. However, the first year of lurking I was still fighting the things I was reading and learning. Until last summer when it all finally broke thru and I woke up. I also didn't understand what happen to me next. A crushing depression hit me that almost ended my marriage, that did cause me to loose my job, and caused me to have no sense of direction in life.
It was this forum and you members that I learned about Steven Hassan's book on cult mind control, and Marlene Winell's work on religious trauma syndrome that made it all make sense again. I came to understand what I was going thru and how to combat it. You all were my therapist. Your collective experiences and wisdom you've shared here not only lead me down the rabbit hole but helped be back up onto my feet on the other side.
With a grateful heart I say again Thank you! If you ever wonder if your efforts are making a difference know that they are. Whether they ever post here or not you are helping people wake up and take back their lives.
Silent knight